First, please understand I am not trying to be offensive or argumentative, so please avoid cursing and sarcastic remarks. I need reasonable answers, not sarcasm or insults.
Now, I ask this question, because scientist have identified that the human race is still limited intellectually, in it’s understanding of the heavens, the atmosphere, the earth, and especially the human body even though man can be dated back thousands of years, and it is actually been proven that we as humans only use approximately 10 to 25% of our brain power. In addition, it has only been in recent decades that every decade or so, we discover key elements of our existence that we were not privileged too in the previous decades. For example, we are just now starting to truly understand how to manipulate DNA, even though DNA has existed since the beginning of time. Almost every year, we identify new animals life forms that have existed all the time, but we were not aware of. And, we frequently stumble upon new cures for diseases and / or technological advancements as we advance in our scientific research, even though the knowledge and or answer existed all of the time, but we had not realized it or found it yet. Actually, the USA just identified a new resource of precious metals over in Afghanistan in recent years, even though geologist have been digging for years. Therefore, in short, I am basically asking this:
If someone is willing to truly answer my question and not try to avoid the question, HOW DO WE KNOW AS HUMANS WITH 100% PROOF BEYOND A SHADOW OF DOUBT THAT THERE IS NOT A GOD, AND WE JUST HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO SCIENTIFICALLY IDENTIFY HIM YET.
Remember, it is totally possible from a scientific stand point that He exist in our every day make up, but we have not stumbled upon the necassary data yet to start identifying Him, just as this process has happen with many other scientific discoveries throughout our human history.
See, the point I am trying to get too, is that, according to history, God is not some ghost or magical entity, but a living entity made up of living something. The Bible does say that he is spirit, but it also says that when the Hebrews asked to see him, he made a part of himself visible, which means he is either tangible or some form of element to some degree.
Either way, the main point here is that with our limited intellect and scientific ability at this point in our lives, how can we say from a scientific standpoint that 100%, God does not exist without truly knowing ALL of what this earth still holds for us to discover and especially ALL of what the heavens still hold for us to discover.
Remember,the heavens is not expanding, as some believe, but it is in it’s fullness, and we have yet to travel deep enough to have found if there is an end, so until we have all of the facts available for us to make a 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt decision, HOW CAN WE SAY GOD DEFINITELY DOES NOT EXIST, WHEN MAN HAS PROVEN TIME AFTER TIME THAT THEIR INTELLECT AND FULL KNOWLEDGE OF EVERYTHING IS VERY LIMITED AT THIS EARLY STAGE OF OUR PROGRESS.
In ending, I only ask that you consider that we are still infants in our intellect and understanding of things in this world, so how can we claim to be masters of things, not of this world when we have not even been outside of our own solar system so far.
All I am asking is for you to please be fair!
For AppleHunter, I agree that my belief is BY FAITH with no physical evidence, but at least I am willing to view life from both side with an open and realistic mind for reasoning, and I never just put your position down as Poppy Cock or anything else insultive. I am only trying to reason with everyone and share ideas!
More Pages:
- Solar Guru: Whether God Is A Person/Nature Or Ultimate State Of Finding Ourselves? (9/7/2011)
- Solar Lights: So We Cant Disprove The Existence Of A God, But What About The Christian God? (7/13/2011)
- All Christian “evidence” for God, in one spot? (all of which are invalid)?
- If knowledge is known and God is unknown, then wouldn’t it be ideal for God if we were all totally ignorant?
- Solar Turbines: What Powers Our Older Satellites In Space? They Have Been Up There For Close To 100 Years And Still Work.? (3/27/2012)
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yes, thus the reason of organized religion.
poppycock, humans are the most intelligent beings on this planet and we have no evidence to suggest any being is more intelligent than humans, ergo humans as a species have unlimited intelligence*.
edit; Yes, i just sank your battleship.
if there is no God then there is no evolution…
The theory of evolution, formalized by Charles Darwin, is as much theory as is the theory of gravity, or the theory of relativity. Unlike theories of physics, biological theories, and especially evolution, have been argued long and hard in socio-political arenas. Even today, evolution is not often taught in primary schools. However, evolution is the binding force of all biological research. It is the unifying theme. In paleontology, evolution gives workers a powerful way to organize the remains of past life and better understand the one history of life. The history of thought about evolution in general and paleontological contributions specifically are often useful to the workers of today. Science, like any iterative process, draws heavily from its history.
BAH! I’M AN ATHEIST AND THIS IS STUPID AND WRONG BECAUSE I BELIEVE I’M RIGHT!
Lol, no, jks. I believe however most atheists will bring up Carl Sagan quote about how that without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Personally, you can’t know 100% anything, but you can definately believe it.
Actually, I tend to say there is no evidence for any gods. Difference.
But look at it this way: most people would agree that an omniscient, omnipotent, ubiquitous entity should have some direct impact on the universe in which it is supposed to operate, yes?
Now, given those mighty powers, at least some tiny shred of evidence should have been left behind.
Yet in the thousands of years that humanity as been sentient and questioning, not one piece of evidence to substantiate such an entity has emerged.
So yes, it’s possible that under some rock in a far flung corner of a parallel universe, something that somebody might describe as a god is cowering. But not in this universe, judging by the evidence.
im smart
big wall of text with sporadic CAPITALIZATION IS fail, so is GOD OF THE GAPS argument. no evidence means there is no reason to believe, come back when there is evidence.
“Atheist before saying there is 100% NO GOD”
Don’t say that – lack of evidence leads to lack of belief.
Also, don’t you lot claim god(s) are EVERYWHERE?
if we don’t know wats out there how can people say there is a god
So you believe and base your life around the fact that Zeus “could” exist but you just haven’t attained a level of intelligence to “realise” it? Or does your argument only apply to the Christian god?
Exactly! The Abrahamic god is COMPLETELY illogical. I am 100% sure that entity does not exist.
I’m about 99% sure that there is not another type of “god” entity out there that we simply don’t understand based on the fact that there is zero evidence for it.
When it’s proven, then I will believe. Fair enough?
Holds true for the flying tea pot as well.
You suffer from a fundamental misunderstanding of what atheism is.
Theism is the belief/positive proposition pertaining to the existence of a deity which takes an active interest and role in the lives of people.
Atheism (A-theism) is the intuitive negation of theism, all that is required of it is the lack of a theistic stance.
In atheism you have Negative Atheism, which is the simple lack of belief in god(s), and there is Positive Atheism is the assertion that no such entity exists.
Do not conflate the two or straw-man all atheists as positive atheists.
And to pre-empt your rebuttal regarding agnosticism, or better, the misapplication of the term agnosticism.
Agnostic is an epistemological position, not one in regards to belief/lack of belief, it is entirely seperate.
You haven’t explained why we should assume that God is anything more than a concept created by man to explain what man didn’t understand.
I think you’re referring to gnostic atheists, most commonly known as strong atheist. Those are the ones who believe there are no gods. Agnostic atheists are the ones who don’t believe in any gods because of the lack of evidence.
Also:
Theists before saying there is 100% A GOD(S) have you considered that humans are still limited intellectually?
So lack of evidence of Gods’ non-existence = God exists? Even though there is no evidence god exists.
Error: does not compute
@TriciaG28 Well said.
Very few atheists will rule out any possibility of something like a god existing (all depends on the definition of that “god”9
But I think all atheists agree, that all the “gods” known to man are nothing more than ancient mythology. i.e. fiction
I have no problem saying that we have limitations on our intelligence and understanding.
However, if I don’t know something I say, “I don’t know”. I don’t say “God did it”.
Doesn’t matter. Doesn’t matter in the slightest.
Is there evidence for your God? No. Therefore there’s no justification for believing in such a thing.
HOW DO WE KNOW AS HUMANS WITH 100% PROOF BEYOND A SHADOW OF DOUBT THAT THERE IS NOT A PINK UNICORN LIVING ON JUPITER, AND WE JUST HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO SCIENTIFICALLY IDENTIFY HIM YET.
Your argument could do just as well for ANY daft idea anyone could possibly dream up.
I understand what you’re saying, in my opinion a believer already knows because a believer uses the method that believers have always used to know that God exists..
But scientists wants physical proof, for all they know physical proof may not exist anywhere in the universe, in my opinion scientists should examine the spiritual proof that believers have always known to discover God..
Basically if one way or method does not work then we should try the alternative methods that are at hand..
So, with our limited intelligence, would you say there is the possibility of a war between the Olympic gods (Zeus et al.) and the Titans (Cronos et al.) raging as we sit here and type on Y!A?
Or is it reasonably safe to completely dismiss that idea, (making us all atheists with regard to Zeus)?
I think the concept of magic is absurd and I don’t believe it exists, thus I am an atheist. I have never said that I am 100% sure or I *know* this to be true, however.
of course, obvioyusly
but hopefully, so them have all believers, who say 100% their god exists and not another one
so, really, is a human issue,not an atheist one
as not oen of us know the answers, but manyof us still beleive things to be true for a fact
Fair point, using your logic however I will say this…
Your claim is that we use very little of our brain and also find out things that we had previously not known, hence one would assume that since God has already been claimed to be true would it not be more likely to be something ‘undiscovered’ rather than the biblical creator?
To answer your question fairly, as an Atheist, my world-view does not exclude the POSSIBILITY of a god existing. However, there is currently no evidence for such a being. So I find no reason to believe that such a being exists.
To put that in perspective: I also do not deny the POSSIBILITY of faeries existing. There are hundreds of books and tales which include faeries, and there may even be people who insist that faeries exist. But I find no reason to believe that faeries exist, simply because there is currently no evidence that would suggest that they actually exist.
If sound evidence were to be brought to my attention concerning the existence of a god, then I would have no problems with it, and would accept that a god exists. It is not the concept of god that atheists tend to have a problem with. It is the ASSERTION WITHOUT EVIDENCE THAT A GOD EXISTS that atheists tend to have a problem with.
I hope I cleared that up.
Atheists, because of their interest in truth and knowledge, are generally aware of the limitations of knowledge. I don’t know many who make the claim “100% no god”, that would be foolish. Atheists are usually happy to say that there does not appear to be a god, that’s all we need really. Things that appear not to exist generally don’t, though I’m sure there are the odd exceptions. This may change in the future and if it does then most atheists will have no problem accommodating it.
It is the theists who dishonestly claim knowledge they do not have, and theists who hold to their position dogmatically. Atheists are simply more honest than that.
The more we mature intellectually, the less we need religion and gods.
“It is actually been proven that we as humans only use approximately 10 to 25% of our brain power.” Proven false, an Urban Legend.
“The Bible does say that he is spirit, but it also says that when the Hebrews asked to see him, he made a part of himself visible, which means he is either tangible or some form of element to some degree.” Amazing how he stopped making appearances, but still expects to be worshipped.
It is what I believe.
Why do people believe in god when it has not been proven at all?
Thousands of gods have been worshipped over the years and there has not been a single piece of evidence for any of them, nothing, zip, nadda.
would it be fair to say that for god to be proven,
he would need to be made up of matter.
a solid source of material.
as you say,the bible says he is in spirit form.
just because the hebrews allegedly saw him in solid form,
doesnt mean its true.
and what part did they see?
since no proof of a material god exists(and christians agree with that),
how can he be analysed?
scientists have studied fresh air,and they came up with oxygen and nitrogen,
and other trace gases.
christians claim there is a god.
does that mean they have found him in solid form,
and they are smarter than the most brilliant minds on the planet?
i think not,as that means every christian is a brilliant scientist
and they are holding back key evidence for their case.
can you say 100% without a doubt that there is not a hamster running around in a wheel at the centre of the Earth and thus causing the Earth to turn?
you may think i’m mocking because it’s a ridicules claim with no evidence, the thing is that’s how i see religion and the idea of god, ridicules claims with no evidence to back them up.
not only that but many things that were attributed to god in the past i.e rain, earthquakes, thunder and lightning have been explained without god.
but i will concede one point to you, we are limited intellectually. The thing is that will never change as long as people keep believing god did it, because when people believe god did it they don’t look for another explanation, and that is bad for humanity, it hinders our growth as a species.
Very few atheist say that 100% god does not exist. Not even Dawkins says that he’s absolutely certain. It’s just that with so little evidence, the conclusion atheists reach is that god is more likely not to exist than exist, and even if one did they don’t know which one it might be, so they simply don’t factor the existence of god into their lives.
To put it another way, if there was a 0.001% chance of rain, would you carry around an umbrella anyway?
Your question is interesting, but it’s based on several assumptions that aren’t true.
First of all, nobody has ever “proved” that we only use 10% or 25% or any other percentage of our brain power. That was an impressive-sounding number dreamt up by self-help hucksters long before we had the technology to perform even the most basic brain imaging studies. It’s often quoted but I’m afraid it’s just an urban legend.
Second, DNA has not been around “for all time”. The oldest possible date that we know of for DNA molecules is 250 million years, and it may be much less than that. It’s a long time, but it’s not true that the molecule has always existed. Early life-forms may not even have had DNA, but a simpler chemical called RNA. In that case, it’s clear that DNA itself evolved.
I agree that there’s a huge amount of science still to be done, and amazing discoveries to make. But most people who call themselves atheists would probably argue something like this: There’s no 100% proof that God does not exist. There’s also no 100% proof that my computer isn’t surrounded by silent, weightless, invisible unicorns as I type. But since I have no evidence at all to suggest the unicorns exist, it would be irrational for me to insist that they are there. Likewise, they see no evidence at all for the existence of God and, while in philosophy it’s very difficult to prove a negative, they consider it irrational to believe in something without some evidence, at least. Personally, I’m not entirely convinced by that viewpoint – but that’s another issue
Sorry if this is a bit too long – hope it helps!
I don’t say “God does definitely not exist.” I would never say that.
I am just operating from an atheistic standpoint, until provided with evidence of his existence. Just as YOU operate from an atheistic standpoint on the existence of Zeus. There is really no difference between us. I am just slightly more atheistic than you are.
we cant prove that there is no god.
But we have no sign whatsoever of his existence.
So why believe in him?
But seriously, what was whoever wrote the bible smoking?